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[intruder]

Quaoar je zares velik kot vsi asteroidi skupaj!

Najprej smo ga imeli (magnituda) H 2.6, potem kar H 1.6 (kar bi pomenilo da je res planetarne velikosti!), sedaj ga imamo spet
H 2.6 velikosti, torej she vedno se zdi VELIK KOT VSI ASTEROIDI
SKUPAJ!

http://puck.dhs.org je edino mesto kjer so Quaoar, Ixion in Varuna astroloshki obdelani.


Quaoar has been a 2.6 object, then 1.6 and now H 2.6 again. So it is the giant afer all, estimed as large as all the asteroids put together!

http://www.escribe.c...puck/m3985.html


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JPL/DASTCOM3 Small-body Search Results 2003-Feb-07
23:11:49

Asteroids only parameter search:
H < 5.2;

Matching small-bodies:

Record # Epoch-yr Primary Desig Name H
-------- -------- ------------- ------------------------- -----
1 2000 (undefined) Ceres 3.34
2 2001 (undefined) Pallas 4.13
4 2000 (undefined) Vesta 3.20
15 1993 (undefined) Eunomia 5.16
19308 2002 1996 TO66 [...unnamed...] 4.50
19521 2002 1998 WH24 Chaos 4.90
20000 2002 2000 WR106 Varuna 3.70
24835 2002 1995 SM55 [...unnamed...] 4.80
26181 2002 1996 GQ21 [...unnamed...] 5.20
26375 2002 1999 DE9 [...unnamed...] 4.70
28978 2002 2001 KX76 Ixion 3.20
38628 2002 2000 EB173 [...unnamed...] 4.70
42301 2002 2001 UR163 [...unnamed...] 4.20
47171 2002 1999 TC36 [...unnamed...] 4.90
50000 2002 2002 LM60 Quaoar 2.60
100182 2002 2002 MS4 [...unnamed...] 4.10
101512 2002 2002 AW197 [...unnamed...] 3.30
101879 2002 2002 KX14 [...unnamed...] 4.70
102943 2002 1997 CS29 [...unnamed...] 5.20
103874 2002 2000 YW134 [...unnamed...] 5.10
123191 2002 2000 CN105 [...unnamed...] 5.00
126291 2002 1999 CD158 [...unnamed...] 5.10
131702 2002 2002 TX300 [...unnamed...] 3.30
132956 2002 2002 XV93 [...unnamed...] 4.50
132965 2002 2002 XW93 [...unnamed...] 4.80
144024 2002 2002 CY248 [...unnamed...] 4.90
158038 2002 2002 UX25 [...unnamed...] 3.60
158062 2002 2002 TC302 [...unnamed...] 3.90
158340 2002 2001 KA77 [...unnamed...] 5.00
158969 2002 2002 WC19 [...unnamed...] 4.60
167191 2002 2001 QF298 [...unnamed...] 4.70
167213 2002 2001 UQ18 [...unnamed...] 4.90
200387 2003 2003 AZ84 [...unnamed...] 4.00

(33 matches. To SELECT, enter record # (integer), followed by
semi-colon.)
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Lunin Net in Quaoar:

http://www.google.co...UTF-8&hl=hr&lr=


Novice Quaoar:

http://www.escribe.com/theory/puck/

Nove delineacije:

http://puck.dhs.org/...r/delineations/ (update Jan 17th 2003).

USENET:

http://groups.google...&oe=UTF-8&hl=en

Torej novice! Pravkar sem izrachunal Quaoar za Krista na 25 Tehtnice.
Buddha in Krishna podatki takoj. Files in programe so delali ravno za
mene! To pomeni da je Quaoar uradno sprejet v stabilne chlene
sistema. (Kristovi podatki na strani 2, torej end fajla).

QUAOAR je velik kot vsi asteroidi skupaj!




Primer astrologa (Costa Rica) s QUAOAR.




QUAOAR

Copyright © 2003 Klaudio Zic, vse pravice pridrzhane.
t8@puck.dhs.org http://puck.dhs.org /lunin.net

Krompirchki narashchajo zhe od 1992 leta. Pravimo jim transneptuni.
Vech ih je sort. Eni so kot Pluto, pa so dobili ime `plutino'. Ixion
je gigantski plutino. Eni so kot `domachi' tipichni objekti tipa
1992 QB1 (prvoodkriti) in jim pravimo dobesedno `cubewano'.

Posebno excentrichni objekti so `Scattered Disk Objects' SDO (ne
bom takrat prevajal). Predlagajo se nove klase kot so to `varunoidni
superkentavrji'. Kentavrji so blizhji objekti. V zachetku so bili
definirani (Jupiter, Neptun) med Jupitarjem in Neptunom, danes pa
dovolimo da potujejo tudi sekajochi orbite Neptuna in celo Plutona.
Gre se za zgubljene (KBO) kometoidne objekte Kuiperovega pasu.
Danes za Chiron pravimo da je kometa. Poleg Chiron-a so bili odkriti
takoj Pholus in Nessus in cela vesela skupina kentavrjev in kentavric.

Quaoar je velik kot _vsi_ asteroidi skupaj in je zachetek velikih
sprememb v astronomiji/astrologiji. Zachelo se s Varuna-om in Ixion-om
kateri zdaj niso vech najvechji transneptuni. Torej hitro se spreminja
slika solarnega sistema. Dejanski vsak dan prichekujemo objekte vechje
kot Pluton. Pravijo da NASA ishche Nibiru. NASA ima zhe delegacijo
sonchnega sistema in to se zdi brez smisla. Dogodke in spekulacije
lahko posnemate na sci.astro, pa niso uradne. Zhal uradno in amatersko
sem pa tja _ne_ sodeluje. Velike objekte pa zelo pogosto prav amaterji
prijavijo v Harvard MPC. Najblizhji observatoriji s katerima lahko
sodelujemo so v Istri astro.hr in Mariborju. Astrologija danes seveda
porabi veliko astronomije. Saj je vedno bilo tako. Che astrolog nima
idejo kako bi v horoskop vstavil komete, kako naj verjamemo che obeta
katastrofe? Komete so vedno bile popularne. Danes jih tudi brez obser
viranja lahko imamo v horoskopih! Saj so sestavni del vsakeg horoskopa.


Holistichki horoskopi, O5 techaji. t8@puck.dhs.org http://puck.dhs.org

RESURSE
======= http://puck.dhs.org /quaoar /reports1 /reports /dance.1

Seveda imaste Nessus Pholus in Chariklo v vashemu horoskopu.
Kaj pa Ixion Varuna in Chaos? In predvsem najvechega! QUAOAR.

Quaoar je novi objekt velik kot _vsi_ asteroidi skupaj! To je
najvechje odkritje po Plutonu kjer se obetajo nova she vechja!
Na tem prostoru lahko izvedete za novice in spremembe, kakor
tudi za nove kandidate za planete.

Slovenski bi lahko bil prvi jezik na katerem se bojo objavile
karakteristike novih astroloshkih objektov, kjere zaenkrat opisujem
standardno v angleshchini. Objave so za celo planeto na USENET grupi
news:alt.astrology.moderated http://groups.google.com za Slovenijo
so to http://www.lunin.net http://najdi.si http://puck.dhs.org/lunin.net
news://news.uni-mb.si/soc.culture.slovenia
Za primorce pa magar she: news://twister1.tin.it/tin.it.hobby.astrologia
news://news.rlc.net/ines.paranormalno (slovenia)
Ta povezava bo mogoche delovala. ines.paranormalno je stara grupa
verjetno zhe od cajta BBS-eva. Slovenci s(m)o je zapustili, v Italiji
se she drzhi (ishchi www.dogpile.com) knp nettuno.it
news://news.rlc.net/ines.paranormalno (slovenia)
news://news.mt.net.mk/mk.alt.astrologija (macedonia)
http://puck.dhs.org/reports http://puck.dhs.org/reports1
http://puck.dhs.org/quaoar http://www.escribe.com/theory/puck





Na slovenskem delu postrezhika boste zhe danes imeli:

http://puck.dhs.org/slovenija

Luna srecha asteroide, planete, kentavrje. Za enkrat za
11ti in 12ti mesec. Veliko ilustracij. Nekaj zabave: Luna
srecha sexy asteroide (Kaxanova, Eros, ...). Cruithne (2ga
luna srecha tretjo luno za ta Bozhich!).

http://puck.dhs.org/quaoar/quaoar.html

QUAOAR she vedno 2002 LM60 po designaciji je NAJVECHJI objekt
po PLUTONu! Velik je KOT VSI ASTEROIDI (inkluzivno Varuna in Ixion)
skupaj!



Za nas ko kar od 1992 sprejmamo transneptune (600 ih je zdej!)
je to ... neverjetna nagrada. Zachelo se z 1992 QB1 (descendent
WTC). Hvala Marsi in Vami na tem forumu za mozhnost tega 'prime'
na slovenschini (hvala za lekture, vadil bom!).

Ta hip pishem na slovenschini in imaste tudi informacije o:

1. Natanchni horoskop. Natanchna Luna za natalno lokacijo.
Cruithne in tretja luna. Efemeride za vsaki objekt (update).

2. NASA HArvard astro.ch Kako narediti horoskop natanchno in
z ta pravimi objekti. Tudi Vesta spreminja parametre!

3. Hipotetiki. Avestan. Rathke. Hamburg. Cassini Lilit. Nibiru.

4. Transneptuni. Cubewano. Plutino. SDO. Update NASA. Lahko
dobite update na e-mail naslov in efemeride (long, RA) za
vsaki objekt, kometo, raketo, asteroid, mesec v -777 letu.

5. Kentavrji in kentavrice. Chiron sploh ni sam pa ni niti naj
vechji zhe zdavnaj. Zelo vesela tema.

6. Quaoar v ljubezni, magiki, financah. Edini napisi o Quaoar sploh.

7.



(se updejta)


http://puck.dhs.org/quaoar /2003/lunin.net

Novice (refreshaj!):

http://groups.google...&oe=UTF-8&hl=hr

Na Mountain Astrologer dajam online nasvete v zvezi
z Quaoar. General Topics > Quaoar. Message Board.

http://www.mountaina...scus/index.html

Od sedaj na http://puck.dhs.org/lunin.net /novo

Quaoar 2002 LM60 je velik kot _vsi_ asteroidi skupaj!


Quaoar in Novi Sonchev Sistem http://puck.dhs.org/lunin.net

Najvechje odkritje po Plutonu je 2002 LM60 ki se bo verjetno
imenoval Quaoar. Kaj se dogajalo med tem? 1992 smo odkrili ta
prvi transneptun. Ta senzacija je verjetno neznana v astroloshkem
(tudi v amatersko astronomskem) svetu tudi danes. 1992 QB1 je dal
ime klasi objektov `cubewano' (npr Varuna). Ena druga klasa TNO
transneptunov so `plutini' (npr Ixion). Danes ko zhe imamo objekte
vechje od Veste ali pa Ceres, pravzaprav prichakujemo objekte vechje
kot Pluton zhe nekaj chasa, posebej ta zadnja tri leta. Seveda objekti
imajo astroloshki upliv. Pallas se she drzhi, Juno je nikjer, lahko je
pozabimo. Torej rang lista objektov je zelo spremenjena. Astrologija
je pa postala veda-hobby za mnozhice inne mara spremebm, pravzaprav
ne mara astrologijo. V chasopisih in sholah, lozhah ininstitutih nich
ne vejo o sonchnemu sistemu in bazi astrologije. Tamo samo klepetajo
od Kepler Institute do Mountainastrologer samo premetavajo ano baje
`jungiansko' blah blah astrologijo, `psiholoshko' bi se reklo. O.K.

Imamo novo odkritje. Software se pravkar rihta. Efemeride so zhe.
Zdej bo trzhishche diktiralo nameno Quaoar. Prav zato postam na
USENET prve delineacije, preden lisice in pantagane postanejo (so
zhe) strokovnjaki za Quaoar, pa ih nikjer ni bilo v chasu 1992 QB1
(descendent WTC) ali pa Ixion in Varuna. Namrech se gre tudi za
komercialno predstavitev (pakiranje) in prestizh. Tudi jaz sem na
en nachin v igri, seveda prvi. Quaoar nima vse shamanistichno
motrske new wage karakteristike katere joj natrpavajo nevednezhi
(zacheli so fantaziratkar iz imena in brez efemerid, pa ni she
imenovan) pa vseeno `all men in each man' ,tudi Bog ima vsaj
promil promila ljudskega, pravijo.

Kentavrji in transneptuni naj bi odgovarjali potrebam, postanejo
projekcije `kolektivnog' skanalizirane skozi agresivne pacemakerje.


http://puck.dhs.org/...vo/SLO-LM60.TXT


http://groups.google...&oe=UTF-8&hl=hr

http://www.escribe.com/theory/puck

Trenutno na 11 strelca tranzitira U.S.A. slabe tochke
(kot verjetni ascendent). Cepitev Iraka ali U.S.A. po
pol mozhna.

Nekaj o Quaoar (tako se bo imenovala): zvestnost v ljubezni
(na ta stari nachin;), nediscipliniranost v vojni, vizuelne
umetnosti, nisko letecha kombinacija helikopter/avion, super
computing (IBM bo lansiral personal mainframe), cepitev zemlje
po pol kot je to bila Nemchija, na robu vojne so vsi omeni,


efemeride:
http://puck.dhs.org/quaoar


INTERMEZZO:

Quaoar pozicija za Jezusa Krista (25 Libra):

Geocentric Angular Ecliptic Coordinates
True Equinox of Date (Corrected for Aberr. & L-time)

Date: -7/ 9/16 UT : 0: 0: 0

0 Sun 170 38 43.23 - 0 0 0.45 0.99603367
1 Mercury 186 4 33.21 - 0 40 31.55 1.34309366
2 Venus 140 25 46.41 + 1 4 10.23 1.37407837
4 Mars 118 12 3.68 + 1 13 57.62 2.04592994
5 Jupiter 308 42 59.71 - 1 23 53.27 4.20266467
6 Saturn 334 20 8.98 - 2 27 53.80 8.44715428
7 Uranus 329 5 14.27 - 0 48 32.05 19.14118478
8 Neptune 211 14 39.35 + 1 51 36.44 31.07126859
9 Pluto 157 52 2.66 +16 7 8.54 31.88030786
10 Moon 310 58 39.41 - 5 1 33.46 0.40387003 (Gm)
11 Ceres 209 34 47.2 + 5 46 1.1 3.6168244
12 Pallas 165 42 11.5 - 2 36 43.4 3.0579594
13 Vesta 273 17 28.4 - 3 9 24.3 1.9369729
14 Quaoar 205 20 29.2 + 5 45 46.2 44.7036196


Date: -7/ 9/17 UT : 0: 0: 0

0 Sun 171 38 19.11 - 0 0 0.45 0.99573666
1 Mercury 187 34 39.98 - 0 47 29.76 1.33486637
2 Venus 141 39 17.91 + 1 6 16.51 1.37932131
4 Mars 118 47 47.48 + 1 14 38.84 2.03879112
5 Jupiter 308 39 5.83 - 1 23 45.66 4.21332132
6 Saturn 334 15 45.10 - 2 27 51.56 8.45193926
7 Uranus 329 3 3.59 - 0 48 31.07 19.14786343
8 Neptune 211 16 28.81 + 1 51 33.94 31.08208184
9 Pluto 157 54 18.23 +16 7 17.79 31.87581405
10 Moon 322 55 0.45 - 5 3 15.26 0.40546058 (Gm)
11 Ceres 209 57 1.0 + 5 43 53.7 3.6259221
12 Pallas 166 13 50.8 - 2 29 19.0 3.0598865
13 Vesta 273 30 0.1 - 3 10 27.3 1.9501914
14 Quaoar 205 21 48.0 + 5 45 43.0 44.7129005


Date: -7/ 9/18 UT : 0: 0: 0

0 Sun 172 37 56.92 - 0 0 0.43 0.99544192
1 Mercury 189 4 4.51 - 0 54 25.95 1.32616711
2 Venus 142 52 53.32 + 1 8 18.79 1.38452525
4 Mars 119 23 27.67 + 1 15 20.19 2.03159715
5 Jupiter 308 35 22.93 - 1 23 37.81 4.22418813
6 Saturn 334 11 23.66 - 2 27 49.01 8.45701765
7 Uranus 329 0 54.20 - 0 48 30.05 19.15482296
8 Neptune 211 18 19.40 + 1 51 31.49 31.09267447
9 Pluto 157 56 33.32 +16 7 27.54 31.87105554
10 Moon 334 48 15.63 - 4 51 46.50 0.40626333 (Gm)
11 Ceres 210 19 18.0 + 5 41 47.4 3.6349051
12 Pallas 166 45 25.7 - 2 21 55.3 3.0617219
13 Vesta 273 42 49.9 - 3 11 28.9 1.9634487
14 Quaoar 205 23 7.4 + 5 45 39.9 44.7219415


Novi transneptunski giganti:

Record # Epoch-yr Primary Desig Name H
-------- -------- ------------- ------------------------- -----
1 2000 (undefined) Ceres 3.34
2 2001 (undefined) Pallas 4.13
4 2000 (undefined) Vesta 3.20
20000 2002 2000 WR106 Varuna 3.70
28978 2002 2001 KX76 Ixion 3.20
42301 2002 2001 UR163 [...unnamed...] 4.20
101512 2002 2002 AW197 [...unnamed...] 3.20
127754 2002 2002 LM60 [...unnamed...] 2.00
131702 2002 2002 TX300 [...unnamed...] 3.10
158038 2002 2002 UX25 [...unnamed...] 3.30
158062 2002 2002 TC302 [...unnamed...] 3.40
200044 2002 2002 VE95 [...unnamed...] 4.20
200050 2002 2002 VE95 [...unnamed...] 4.20

[pokowc]

potem to je, ta izi´´ varianta the three world war?







Pokowc

[intruder]

Preliminarna astroloska znacenja

Ljubav

Unosi se potpunim povjerenjem i potpunom vjerom. I nista mu drugo nije bitno. Ne obazire se na ono sto drugi govore. Vjeran, sposoban za dugo cekanje, prvorodjeni, klasican pristup ljubavi (modernisti bi rekli - staromodan), ne odustaje i nikad ne dize ruke od veze. U seksualnom smislu moze posljedicno patiti zbog duhovnih (religioznih) i financijskih uspona i padova (misionarski polozaj).

Rat

Predstavlja suvremene forme ratovanja (Irak) niskoletecih aviona i helikoptera ili u kombinaciji. Nered, neposluh, ali i priznanja (ordenja) i uspjesni zavrseci, zakljucak: bolje se udaljiti nego zapocinjati nesto u kaoticnoj situaciji (jesu li naredjenja ispravna?). Rat moze biti izgubljen ako je ovaj objekt u karti aktivan, cak i ako nije prisutna aflikcija. Kada i gdje je aktivan, rat ce se sigurno dogoditi.

Simbolizam

Dvije golubice okrenute jedna od druge promatraju nebo. Zmaj.

Umjetnost

Vizualna naiva. Kompjuterska generacija (personal supercomputing). Automatska i slucajnim uzorkom, kompjuterski generirana umjetnost.

Zdravlje

Izolacija, nepravedna optuzba, opasnost od pada, seksualna apstinencija.

Posao

Velika korporacija nadvladava i razjedinjuje konkurenciju. Formirano trovladje kada krupan kapital nema gdje prodrijeti. Industrija hrane, i zabave (Disneyland). Kanada.

© 2002-2003 Klaudio Zic, All Rights Reserved
Neautorizirani prevod: anonymous

[intruder]

Ja, vojna bo. Ena varijanta je razcepitev Iraka (podobno Nemchiji),
ta druga je razcepitev U.S.A. (potem). Seveda to je prevech apokaliptichno, pa ni nemogoche. Irak ni Kuwait ali Fauklands.

[intruder]

Pojasnilo: ena stopinja napake (kein problem) pomeni eno leto ali vech
napake. To je tudi standardna napaka ki jo vsi delajo, predvsem strokovnjaki (imeli smo natanchno Lunu, na tem forumu). Zato sem
mislil da je Varuna 28/11/2000 ta 'poshast z neba' katero je Nostradamus napovedal. Fant ima dobre aspekte pa mu verjamem.

Za pokowc-a-o? ja zdi se vojna. Ne vem koliko je stopinj napake imel Nostradamus. Za Varuno sem mislil da je to to King of Terror z neba.
Ta Quaoar (she vedno si ne zapomnim;) se zdi ta pravi. Adijo Saddam,
adijo ljuba U.S.A. Posa slovencem. Dva hribchka pa smo mi gospodar.

Vsaj upam.

[Mitja]

Nekaj vec podatkov o novem nebesnem telesu si lahko ogledate tukaj:

http://www.gps.calte...u/~chad/quaoar/
in tukaj
http://atcaltech.cal...l?story_id=5881

Administrator

[El Nino]

what tha f... is that? mislim ej kaj naj zdaj vsak malo vecji asteroid (ali v tem primeru malo vecjo lunp) jemljem v interpretacijo???

"Slabi umetniki kopirajo, dobri umetniki kradejo." Picasso

[intruder]

Tole bo pre'strokovno', pa si lahko privoshimo kot Neue Slovenishe Astrologie. Sicer so delineacije za Quaoar (ni she uradno imenoven)
samo (moje) na angleshchini in slovenschini. Torej lunin.net ima svetski primat;) http://puck.dhs.org/quaoar

Pravzaprav smo delali z manjshimi objekti. In vsi delujejo. Tale je pa kar zdej en krompirchek, a ne? http://puck.dhs.org/quaoar ih je she, seveda. Ta zadnja leta smo veselo delali z Varuno in Ixion, pravzaprav sem edino jaz naredil in objavil delineacijo (opis). C.

Za rastoche astrologe trenutna lista najvechjih objektov:



Record # Epoch-yr Primary Desig Name H
-------- -------- ------------- ------------------------- -----
1 2000 (undefined) Ceres 3.34
2 2001 (undefined) Pallas 4.13
4 2000 (undefined) Vesta 3.20
20000 2002 2000 WR106 Varuna 3.70 jihad
28978 2002 2001 KX76 Ixion 3.20 no global
42301 2002 2001 UR163 [...unnamed...] 4.20 wise?
101512 2002 2002 AW197 [...unnamed...] 3.20 finantial
127754 2002 2002 LM60 [...unnamed...] 2.00 loving
131702 2002 2002 TX300 [...unnamed...] 3.10 faithful
158038 2002 2002 UX25 [...unnamed...] 3.60 comfortable
158062 2002 2002 TC302 [...unnamed...] 3.40 crazy


Vsi so delineirani na sajtu.

2002 KX14 bo delineiran. Ta glavni so Ixion (no global?), Varuna
(jihad), 2002 Aw197 (bogatenje). PAllas je nekaj manjshi, Juno je
nikjer. Kakrshnih 50 TNO in 50 centaurjev ima (provizorne ali kar 'stabilne' delineacije).

http://puck.dhs.org/...ate/wld11519.16

Asteroids only parameter search:
Rhadamathus (transneptun) je manjshi. Chaos je transneptun. Baje sibirski kolega ve o medicinski nameni Chaos-a. Rusi sploh ne zaostajajo veliko za Costa Rica, Shvica, Slovenija, U.S.A., Bavaria.

[intruder]

Pravkar (po veliko tehnichega maltranja) obravnavam kar supersexy zhenske, ali
zanimive, glamourichne, misteriozne. Venera 10 tau 180 Mars 10 sco = baby doll
(lutka); Mars Spica = untouchable, hard to approach, teshko dosegljiva; imam
dve blizanke (ena je ex punca) z ascendent 11 sag, sonce 11 sag, imajo tranzit,
namrech Quaoar je na 11 sag (she ni imenovan). Imaste kakshne izkushnje? C.


Argumenti za Novo Astrologijo

Copyright © 2003 Klaudio Zic, vse pravice pridrzhane.
t8@puck.dhs.org http://puck.dhs.org/reports/slovenia

Argument 1
==========

Astrolog ki ne pozna lastne natalne pozicije je nevaren.

Za kaj se gre? Saj programchki izrachunajo natanchno, a ne?
Ne. Ne izrachunajo natanchno. Luno zapacajo ornk. Pa druge
rechi kot asteroide in Merkurja. Odvisno o programu. Po navadi
so to zastareli algoritmi ali pa programi za natalno astrologijo
kjer natanchnost ne pomeni nich posebnega (enima). Ko se Luna
najde v drugi hishi in celo znaku, ali pa ni `void of course'
(kot v horarni astrologiji), odloke se spreminjajo. Odlochitve
se bazirajo na natancnem izrachunu direkcij in se multiplicirajo
ko se zhe zachne napachno. Seveda marsikdo je astrolog brez da bi
kaj rachunal ali napovedal. Zakaj pa bi? Pa vseeno: astrologi so da
bi napovedovali natanchne dogodke. To je astrologija: napoved dogodkov.

Argument 2
==========

Astrolog ki ne pozna sonchega sistema to ni.

Lahko si tudi danes privoshchijo da ne poznajo sonchnega sistema.
che se gre za horoskopchke na temo Device ko jaha na Kozlu ali
pa Dvojchki ko jahajo na Strelcu, to je samo veseli jahalni vikend.
Za horoskopirat znakovljem pravzaprav ne rabish niti pamet.

Nekaj rudimantarnih informacij:

1. Zemlja ima tri satelita (pa she vech). Cruithne je najbolj znan
in ga imenujemo tudi `druga luna'. To ni nich novega. Zavedaj se.

2. Najvechji asteroidi niso Vesta, Ceres in Pallas. To so transneptuni.
Eni so imenovani, pa je she 600 `neimenovanih'. Danes imamo _prave_,
ne hipotetichne transneptune. Quaoar je velik kot _vsi_ asteroidi
skupaj. Sledijo transneptuni (od imenovanih) Ixion, Varuna, Chaos.

3. Chiron ni najvechji niti edini kentavr. Od imenovanih imamo Asbolus,
Nessus, Pholus, Hylonome in Chariklo. Veliko neimenovanih ima znachaj
in karakter. Kot primer, Nessus je zelo sexualno nasilen in brutalen.

4. Datum dogajanja ugotovimo _brez_ efemerid, rachunalnika, svinchnika
kar napamet v sekundah. To naj bi bil standard za astrologe. Seveda
se gre za enostavno aritmetiko ko vesh kaj delash. Za zachetek je ok.

Argument 3
==========

Saj ga ni. V prva dva argumenta sem omenil najbolj pomembne tochke
za kvalitetno in kompetentno astrologijo. Seveda astronomska literatura
popestri kvaliteto. Update je nujan. Denimo parametri se spreminjajo (v
bolj natanchne) tudi za ta glavne (main belt) asteroide glavnega pasu.

Baza izrachuna je primarna direkcija in se izvede kar napamet brez ne
vem kakshne tehnologije. Primarno direkcijo izve lahko amater po 20
minutni inicijaciji.

Transneptunski studiji ne bojo dosegljivi vsem zaenkrat. Po nekaj chasa
boste lahko surfali transneptune brez problema. V tem hipu nas premalo
dela na tej tematiki da bi je standardizirali.

Veliko se dela na podrochju kentavrjev. Vsi kentavrji so znani in imajo
karakter, torej so astroloshki vporabni. Ta glavni naj bojo imenovani
kentavrji, sestavni del vsakega horoskopa. Transneptuni so sestavni del
horoskopa od leta 1992.

Astrolog ki zamuja vech kot 20 let bo ponavadi argumentiral z tem da je
vse to nepomembno. Ponavadi ne obvlada direkcije ali se niti ne zaveda
obstajanja direkcij. Slishil je za Chiron. Misli da so hamburgshki
(`uranians') hipotetiki transneptuni in sigurno ne ve za avestane in
Rathke Planeten. To je zhe v redu, samo uraniani (Hades, Cupido, ...)
_niso_ transneptuni. To so hipotetiki, zaenkrat ne obstajajo in nimajo
realnega odkritega tela ali parametrov.

Najvechja napaka katero horarni astrolog lahko naredi je delati s
napachno pozicijo Lune. Luna je najbolj pomemben element horoskopa.
Luna je bolj pomembna od samega ascendenta. To je posebna tema in
sega v resnichne korene in prave vede katere nich nimajo z macdonald
astrologijo. Luna je resnichno pomembna na vech nachinov za naravno
razvite individue in zdravo shamansko okolje postindustrijske faze.

Delamo z realnimi objekti (saj ih je tudi prevech) kar direktno z
postrezhnika Harvard MPC, NASA JPL, in she alternativnih postrezhnikov.
Luna je tamo kjer je astronomski in ne more biti drugje. Za natanchno
pozicijo Lune rabimo natanchne algoritme. jaz delam kar direktno na
NASA JPL HORIZONS in Vam lahko poshljem podatke kar z postrezhnika
v Pasadeni.

(se nadaljuje)

Holistichki horoskopi, O5 techaji. t8@puck.dhs.org http://puck.dhs.org

RESURSE
=======

Slovenski bi lahko bil prvi jezik na katerem se bojo objavile
karakteristike novi objektov, ker sem ih pach sam napisal, oziroma
jih pishem v angleshchini. Objave so za celo planeto na USENET grupi
news:alt.astrology.moderated http://groups.google.com za Slovenijo
so to http://www.lunin.net http://najdi.si http://puck.dhs.org/lunin.net
news://news.uni-mb.si/soc.culture.slovenia
Za primorce pa magar she: news://twister1.tin.it/tin.it.hobby.astrologia
news://news.rlc.net/ines.paranormalno (slovenia)
Ta povezava bo mogoche delovala. ines.paranormalno je stara grupa
verjetno zhe od cajta BBS-eva. Slovenci s(m)o je zapustili, v Italiji
se she drzhi (ishchi www.dogpile.com) knp nettuno.it
news://news.rlc.net/ines.paranormalno (slovenia)
news://news.mt.net.mk/mk.alt.astrologija (macedonia)
http://puck.dhs.org/reports http://puck.dhs.org/reports1
http://puck.dhs.org/quaoar http://www.escribe.com/theory/puck

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Od sedaj na http://puck.dhs.org/lunin.net Prevajalci
vabljeni! Administratorji nimava;) vedno chasa in che$sa.
Nove delineacije najdete (na angleshchini) v arhivah:
http://www.escribe.com/theory/puck Gre se za ljubezen
v 12 hish in 'majik', torej magiko v 12 hish. Claudio.
http://puck.dhs.org/...r/delineations/

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Kaj pomeni po tvojem Claudio, če Quaoar pretranzitira MC? Zdaj je na 11 stopinj strelca.Ali prideta s plutonom v konjukcijo? Kje je bil 2 .aprila 1951? Iz teh efemeridov se ne znajdem, sorry.Nisem tko odprte glave

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Imash lunacijo Decembra 4ga z Quaoar. Ta materijal (5 Mb) bo kmalu
prezentiran. Neprichakovanosti. Najboljshe je varovati materijalno.
1951? Imash vse ephemeride tlele, pa ih bo she. Krozhni prikazi itn: http://puck.dhs.org/...here/ephemeris/ (wheel charts bojo)
Za ljubezen o.k. (stanovanje o.k., nova postelja ali pogoji o.k., za
ljubezen prav gotovo o.k., tudi za zakon zelo o.k. in v redu. Tako
'od oka' se mi zdi da v delovnem (ali pa studijskem) obmochju ti kar
kradejo ideje, prostor, nekaj tazga. Zavarovanje v vseh oblikah je
najboljshe kar lahko naredish (ni prostora za paranojo, samo previdnost zvechjati). Upam da sva to nekakor zinterpretirala:) ciao

[Marsa]

Claudio - Intruder - opazam, da se ti nisem nic tukajle zahvalila se.
No, vsekakor hvala, ker azurno skrbis za tole.

Ne sekiraj se zaradi interpretacij - mnogi so Slovenci (ne mislim tule na Forumu, govorim na splosno), pa niso niti malo pismeni.
Se bomo ze potrudili tudi mi, saj je zelo lepo od tebe in cenimo in spostujemo to, da nam interpretiras celo v slovenscini - seveda, kolikor pac znas in lahko.
HVALA.

Marsa

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"Jaz iscem le eno - da bi izrazil tisto, kar hocem... In ne iscem novih oblik, temvec jih najdem." Picasso

[Marsa]

Se nekaj - kaj za eno guzvo pa meni dela Quaoar?

Marsa

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"Jaz iscem le eno - da bi izrazil tisto, kar hocem... In ne iscem novih oblik, temvec jih najdem." Picasso

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Pozabile sem: nekaj prispevkov na slovenskem (ni ta pravi pa so lektorji seveda vabljeni). http://puck.dhs.org/lunin.net/ Postali bomo vse pomembne slovence (wheel chart, navadni krog, horoskop kakosetemreche), ok. od znanih slovencev (razen Marse) Jansha naj bi imel luno na alopha serpentis 19 sco? che se spomnem, pa ne vem che imam natanchne podatke za Slo & Drnovshek? O.K. kmalu imamo/imava kar
quaoarske feshte tlele. A veste da je Dec 4th 2002 lunacija na Quaoar? Marsa a uploadash 1 Mb nekjer (ali pa kar attachment). Nimam pri roci charta. Nekaj kar napamet, ok? Apple records ena stara singlica je she zhiva, ona se mi zdi ti poje o Quaoar. 'I constantly fall apart, that's why I am so alive!' Tama Janovich,
'A Cannibal in Manhattan' (v eni slashchicharni cannibalova gurujica je natakar'ca.
A se reche natakar'ca tudi v slashich ... pozabil sem da sem na forumu, o.k. popravki bojo ... jutri;) fenj se mejte! claudio

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Nekaj kot 10 novih Mb viz Quaoar. Primeri:

http://puck.dhs.org/...s1/00000011.GIF

Cruithne in Quaoar (nasha druga luna) se srechata.

Komplicirana lunacija Dec 4th 2002

http://puck.dhs.org/....1/00000007.GIF

Korlevic je ('istarska') kometa http://www.astro.hr Korado Korlevic

http://puck.dhs.org/...on/lunation.gif

http://puck.dhs.org/...oar/lunation.1/

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Update in novi gigantski objekt 2002 TX60 frizhak nekaj ur. Tjah, sezname vsi delamo kar nam kreator in unichevalec narejuje; ne pa da ih obozhujemo ali pa moramo obozhevati. Se pravi ta stari sonchni sistem ni vech isti in stari astrologi bojo upgrade-ali ali pa dinozavrizirali. Dr. Alois Treindl je astro.ch http://www.escribe.c...puck/m3490.html Claudio

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Zdej pa odkrivajo celo nove klase objektor. Ta zadnji je 'varunololiki supecentaur'
hahaha zveni ... jaz pa drushtvo se hecamo ... jim pravim 'frozen popatos', Lady Pylenor (jaz sem obchasih Captain Nibiru) pravi da jih je zhe tolik kot v Idaho
krompirchkov je vse vech, astrologov vse manj. Ponavadi trdim da jih je kot vedno mogoche deset na planeti. Varuna je bil(a) senzacija na moj rojstni dan 21/11/2000 potem Ixion (2001KX76) postane najvechji asteroid, pa ta 2002 LM60 Quaoar vechji kot vsi skupaj. Zdej pa (she vedno orbitalno nestabilni kar se tiche podatkov) ta novi objekt. Zachne se dnevno dogajati. Planet(oid) bo odkrit v polne, popolne bo zhe imel delineacijo in bo pozabljen chez kakshen dan. Pravzaprav se to zhe dogaja. To no niti pomembno v svetu kjer astrologi v morju kookbookova nimajo ideje kaj in kjer bi sploh bila kakshna konstelacija. Ko si ogledamo vse objekte, komete, kvazare itn sploh nimamo neinteresantne situacije. Lahko ti se tudi zmesha ?;P Prav gotovo bi me vsi drzhali za popolnega norca (saj zhe) che bi bil sam pa ih je she hujshih, mislim da zhivijo online, nevarna zadeva. Konchal bom v Alice Springs med abordjini, edina usoda katero si chlovek lahko privoshchi, ups,
zhe govorim sam z sabo;)

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Financhni Quaoar

Quaoar

Copyright © 2003 Klaudio Zic, vse pravice pridrzhane.
t8@puck.dhs.org http://puck.dhs.org/reports/slovenia

Quaoar v financah se she pishe pa bo mogoche tudi preveden v
slovenshchino. Zaenkrat

PRVA HISHA

pomeni zvishanje kapitala, zvechanje plach, preselitev v centralno
pozicijo.

DRUGA HISHA

Export. DIVIDE ET IMPERA. Hitro exportiranje brez skladishtenja.
Cepitev firme na manjshe, namenoma ali kot posledica napada.
Vatikanski kartel.

(se nadaljuje)

Napisal okoli 50 napisov za ta forum in slovence. Quaoar u financi: najboiljshe ga imaj v shesti (6ti) hishi! To je najboljsha horarna in natalna pozicija. Nekaj sem prevedel, nove teme, bo objavljeno na http://puck.dhs.org/lunin.net in USENET. Torej Quaoar je v 6ti hishi the best za finance! To zelo povdarjam. Zaenkrat na angl., pol popravim!


Giant transneptune 2002 AW197 seems to be always around when big
transactions happen. Transneptunes always delienate large movements of
energy.

Those with (extra)personal power have them transneptunes prominent.

2002 AW197 was prominent with Sun ( meaning GOLD ) at the time of Alaska
purchase and Karl 5th the Kaiser had it in his second house stellium.

Quaoar is best in the 6th house. The 6th house is by far the best place
to place Quaoar 2002 LM60 (in a horary, event, enterprise chart).

Quaoar in 10th is hard to handle. In 7th it is catastrophy, better use
the 1st and 2nd.

From the oncoming 'Quaoar and Finance'.

P.S.

Note that Cruithne (people's sympathy) and Damocles (imminent
catastrophy) seem to always follow great events.

http://puck.dhs.org/quaoar

Objavljeno na news:alt.astrology.*

[Marsa]

Opomba:

Dejavna je tudi nova tema Luna konjunkcija Quaoar, kjer se pogovarjamo o aspektih s Quaoarjem.

Dodan pa je tudi link na razlage Claudia Zica - Quaoar v hisah horoskopa - vpliv na finance.

Vse to boste nasli tudi na Luninih novicah v clanku Quaoar - nov planet nasega osoncja?

Marsa

Cas ni ovira, temvec sredstvo za uresnicitev moznega. I CHING

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1008krat hvala, Marsa. Novi prispevki so eklipse in 3/3/2003 osrednja tochka 2003.
http://puck.dhs.org/quaoar/1111/ Informacije na slovenshchini (korekture welcome;)
http://puck.dhs.org/...vo/SLO-LM60.TXT 2002 LM60 je Quaoar. Ni novi planet. Pluto tudi ni planet. Gre se za nove kategorije objektov; cubewanos
(Varuna), plutino (Ixion), pa she nekaj kategorij. Zdi se da komaj zdej imamo
vpogled v sonchev sistem. Zecharia Sitchin se rezhi, Kowal in Korlevish si zhreta klobuk. Odkritje je senzacionalno, pa she imava vsaj dva objekta VECHJA kot Pluto, upamo do novega leta! Oglejte si she http://puck.dhs.org/...vo/SLO-1992.TXT je kakshnih 50 novih napisov na slovenschini. Primer:
http://puck.dhs.org/...vo/SLO@KENT.TXT velik zabave in raziskave voshcham!
Z astro.com si lahko marsikaj naredite, ene imenovane kentavrje in transneptune.
60000 naj bi bil kod za Quaoar. Na tem forumu so zhe strokovnjaki za astro.com !
Pa she update na angleshchini FINANCE v hishah in QUAOAR v 12 hishah (povdarek 4ta)
http://puck.dhs.org/...es/Q-FINANC.TXT
http://puck.dhs.org/...es/QUAOAR12.TXT lep pozdrav, Claudio

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Transneptuni in Kentavrji za Leto 2003 - za http://www.lunin.net

Naj mi se oprosti che maltram uchenca, shtudenta, astrologa, ljubljenca,
patera, delavca, sodobnega praktichnega mozhakarja, samozavesno punco
z nekaj vech kar si dnevni um lahko privoshti, in to celo na totalno
nekompliciranem ozemlju, v dezheli Modestia d'Europa, kjer smo zhe
definirani po papezhu, kmetu in konkretni dolzhnosti.

Sicer zhe astrologija kot taka nam ne rabi da bi prezhiveli, kjer pa
nekaj kot moderna `kentavrska' ali pa huda `transneptunska' astrologija.
O tem ne boste (tudi che ste neprevidni) slishali na slovenskem, pa niti
ne na Internetu; saj se ne gre za nekaj za kar bo planeta kmalu
pripravljena.

Ponavadi je astrologija radovednost, naj bi reshila partnerske odnose
in poskrbila za kaj konkretnega. Astr@logy sem definiral kot `pomoch
ruralnemu folku'. To naj bi bila prva naloga astr@logije, napoved
vspeshne ekologije in ekonomije, napoved potresa in podobno pomaganje
chloveku ki zhivi na zemlji in od zemlje.

Za tako astrologijo bojo kar ta glavne planete zadosti. Astr@log bi
moral poznati paralele in eklipse zaradi potresa, pa nekaj glavnih
zvezd za astrometeoroloshke napovedi. Vplival bi na vreme z kakshnim
talismanom (ali podobno), pa ne da bi to sosedje vedali.

Kentavrji prispevajo che se gre za prodolzhanje zhivljenja (Pylenor,
Chiron), kot lek proti slabe volje (Hylonome); lepotilne vede, modo,
kozmetiko, tantro, sveti sex (Chariklo); intuitivno obnashanje in
zdravljenje (Asbolus), diskrecijo (Pholus). /1/

Vsaki kentavr ima zdravilno vlogo v drushtvu. Chiron je nekakor
odkrit pravkar ko se zahodno drushtvo zdravilo z naravno hrano.

Kentavrji
========= in Kentavrke! © 2002-2003 Klaudio Zic t8@puck.dhs.org

Chiron Zdravljenje dushe, mentor = guru, lucidne sanje.

Pholus Ceremonija chaja, euharistija, zdravljenje alkoholikov,
ritualna prehrana, zvok in okus, zen kuhar.

Nessus Zdravljenje brezhishnikov, posiljevalcev, prebegov.

Asbolus Intuitivno zdravljenje. http://www.lava.net/~pagios

Chariklo Zdravljenje sodejstva dveh aur in interpersonalnih /2/
odnosov. Drushtvo ima prostora za sexualne devijante.

Hylonome Zdravljenje samomorilcev zaradi ljubezni. Odstranitev
balasta iz zhivljenja. Izpraznitev omar pokojnika. Ostcaritev
razloga _za_ zhivljenje proti porivu ka smrti. /3/

1994TA Pozitivna afirmacija. Negativna afirmacija `po vsako ceno'.

1998BU48 Zdravljenje denarjem. Zdravljenjem do denarja.

1999XX143 Balans individualnosti v domachinskem okozhenju.
Za familijo do extrema. V pozitivnem smislu dobro
sprejet od strani familije in ozhjeg kroga prijateljev.
V negativnem smislu `chrna ovca'. Izoliran in z malo
prijateljev. Chrni Peter. /4/


Transneptuni
============ (SDO, plutino, cubewano)

Transneptuni imajo mochnejshi vpliv kar so vechji. Pravzaprav se
gre za najvechje asteroide (minor planets).

Ixion `no global', globalizacija za in proti
2002AW197 zlato, denar, bogatenje
Varuna jihad, ekologija vode

2002AW197, Ixion, Vesta, Ceres, Varuna, 2001UR163 so najvechji asteroidi.
Pallas, Chaos, Rhadamanthus so manjshi, Juno pa zelo majhen. Vesta, Ceres,
Pallas in Juno so `main belters', asteroidi odkriti prvih 7 let 19ga
stoletja; ostali so novi transneptuni. Prvi transneptuni odkriti so
bili Pluto, Charon in 1992QB1.

/1/ Chiron je guru in tudi `nagual woman' ( +--> za tiste ki berejo
Carlos Castaneda-o). Cryo postopkom prodolzhamo zhivljenje, torej
cryonics - krionika (danes redka, jutri pa normalna v vesolju).
Chiron je tudi spiritualni partner. Rebirtheri naj bi imeli
Chiron v (denimo) shesti ali pa 12ti hishi. 1992TA (Pylenor)
je dokaj bolj komplicirana kentavrka z vsaj `eno nogo' (od shtiri)
v neskonchnosti. Oba sta `krvarecha kentavrja'. Kri je seveda
peti element (akasa, vechnost). Pylenor se nastani pod mostovih.
Na Trnovu je kar idealna pozicija za to energijo. Pylenor she
obchuti prostor in astral in vidi skozi `realno okno' bolj fine
svetove. http://groups.google.com Pylenor http://puck.dhs.org/
usenet.html

/2/ Sveta prostitucija. Manekenke. Lahko ti podarim samo ljubezen.
Torej `Sestre' vpadejo v Chariklo kategorijo. Transsexualci.
Razlichne zdravilne vrste sexa in komunikacije. Chariklo je
zelo zanimljiva kentavrka tudi v voodoo (Erzulie Friede).

/3/ Hylonome je z Chariklo najvechja kentavrka, oba ste vechje
kot Chiron. Hylonome odpira zveze z gotikom, darkerjima, nore
zvestobe, povezave z umrlima in nas uchi zhiveti naprej tudi z
emocionalnim gubitkom.

/4/ To ne koncha niti del kentavrjev, pa so pestri primeri. Kentavrjev
je vech kot 50. Transneptunov je veliko vech proti 1000. Namrech
vsaki dan skeniranje neba prinese nove objekte na menu astrologa.

Za to skrbijo Harvard MPC, Astrorb, lowell.edu in NASA JPL.

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Quaoar in Finance

© 2003 Klaudio Zic, all rights reserved
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1. Quaoar in the first house means solid money and bold
succesful enterprise. Go for the best and hit the center.
The rise of capital while moving to the central position.

This is a wage rising position.

Workers asking for a rise should boldly step into the
boss office and speak from it's center. Since the boss
occupies the main desk which shields him and has drawn
the stalker on it's own territory, the stalked in assumes
a surprise central position and speaks from his heart.

2. Investing capital overseas.

Quaoar in the second house means export import business.
The stress is on export. The quick shipping of goods
requires no storage facilities. The sea has always
been the natural route for a large exportation.

Dividing the enterprise into smaller venues is a well
known defense attack tactique. Big monopolists can hide
splitting their systems = you don't know which trees are
really mine and get lost in the forest. What if they are
_all_ mine? DIVIDE ET IMPERA as attacking tactics or SPLIT
AND COOSE THE BEST for you. This is like a lion tearing a
gnu apart and choosing the best flesh first.

This position means safe expense. The Vatican cartel.

3. Quaoar in the third house means extra gain. This meaning
extends to surprise gain or lucky strike like rewards for
a work well done. Since there does not seem to be an immediate
connection between the reward and the work, we are inclined to
see this position as good fortune. But the third position is
not that simple. It requires foresight and help from centaur
Asbolus. Shipping in a hurry or a business trip will at best
be dissuaded by wise introspection or divination. This is not
a time to hurry. We don't have all the parameters at hand and
are yet capable to deal with unexpected business. Disposing of
a troublemaker will not be easy. My advice would be to be very
reasonable and take no big risks. Even divination and Asbolus
himself cannot predict all the issues of tis position.

Facets of this position include people who did not decide
if they do care or not for money at all the `nothing really
matters' attitude. Intruders can live without any money or
work since they surprise society with their lack of compatibilty.

Who shall sow shal reap. Even when he forgot. Thus benefit
comes from past good deed. Duty does what it should and does
not calculate the result. This looks like special karma.

At the time when I was writing these lines, encouraged with
the behavior of finantial asteroid 2002 AW197 in the case of
Alaska, I dared venture in the middle ages. 1300 is the year.
It seems that Quaoar had a long conjunction with 2002 AW197
at that time. This very lines are the example of Quaoar in
the third house. One writes for the sake of writing an perhaps
profits later when least expected!

People will gain at lottery, acquire real estate, get (in)famous,
and experience a rise in personal power, money and property. The
working man is promoted. Students should persist with their studies
to the victorious end. All in all, students prosper; when they
discreate a phantom menace. Merchants experience profit.

Afflictions still lead to a harmonious issue, but require
common sense, social intelligence, an undertaking attitude
and plenty of space for improvisation on the spot. Enterprises
still young experience unexpected ups and downs. After a time
and a transit, a well regulated pattern takes us to safe waters.

4. Quaoar in the fourth house seems to cherish musical industry
and show business. In less prudish times, this type of business
could be called prostitution. Film stars are sexual symbols and
supermodels are phallic symbols. This position is enhanced by
centauress Chariklo.

This is the position of the problem solvers. Even if solving
the problem is to make one relax for a while. Rockefeller
who lived under stress and paranoia from his own close co
workers, once escaped and got mind cured by a farmer friend.

Entertainment as anti stress and possibly source of inspiration?

Among the possible delineations, this position might include
the propagandistic activities of the black lodges. Since
investment is our topic, it seems that a highway is a best
investition. Building is favored.

Prostituition allures the false mind. Psychobabble is not true
learning. The mind is hardly silenced and concentrated in this
position. The lower cakra and sexual instincts play a major
role in the world of advertising. Show them a good pair of
legs and have the `right words' and they buy the product.

It is such a manner that advertising stirrs up temporary
enthusiasm towards things ephemeral. They all want must have it!

Glamor propaganda and show business can even stirr and send people
to war. The stimulation is visual, sexual and verbal. One is convinced
he fights for his ideals. Glenn Miller and Marylin Monroe enMesh a
convincing marshing atmosphere for the typical male to die for his
ol'boys cigar Elvis and Southern Comfort, and the japs might as well
go to hell. While the japs might have demigods for kings and eternal
life, this cotton warrior fights for a drink in the bar.

The business of the broker is to attract/divert attention to easy
stocks. This is bull-baiting at it's best. Uncle$aming the nation.

5. A mighty finantial concern is investing capital overseas with
success. The organization may have a semireligious connotation.

A masonic lodge enters business. The primary motives are not
gain. Insurance companies. With us your money is safe. Swiss
banking. Foundations like money distributing institutions.

Large transport companies. Shipping dangerous material.
Exporting wine. Helping the nations in dire need. UNICEF?

Taking care of the family. Various religious organizations
sending missionaries. Daniel Quinn would not agree on this
but Quaoar in the fifth house does not seem to be interessed
in personal gain.

6. Quaoar in the sixth house is a sure omen of majestic business
success and honestly earned riches. Even in a horary or solar
return chart, this position is most promising!

7. This position never seems to accomplish anything. The whole
affair might stand on rotten legs. Outdated ideas, unfinished
projects, too strong opposition, the lack of support, goods,
base materials. Time to start something really new and strong.

8. Taking a chance on a risky new enterprise. The total reform
means investing in new facilities. Food industry favored.
Strong opposition and competition. Disharmony within the
enterprise. Good for fashion designers and stylists who
aim at shocking the public. Works fine with Chariklo.
Good for fast food. Excellent for `usa e getta' use and
dispose off objects. Bad for merchandise awaiting too long
for shipping. Excellent for Murano glass. This position
seems to favor original ideas, possibly turned into mass
product and shipped immediately. One example could be the
Pokemons. The feel is this is not an easy position for Quaoar.

9. Legal issues. A very hard position. Partners will quarrel.
Old karma resurface. In extreme cases lawsuits require even
carceration. Interference, jealousy, mafia, physical injury,
agressive negotiations. A third party very likely interferes.

Industrial espionage, criminal, mangled or old goods sold,
lawsuits follow. The market in it's triumphal madness. Stock
exchange. Sanctions. War games. Meat industry. Cat food.

This position is enhanced with any Sun Mars square.

10. Quaoar in the tenth house has a surprising impact on the
horoscope. If this planetoid ever appeared as calm and
transparent, it is in this position that it shows it's
transforming power. Almost like Pluto, it does not
tollerate old positions. It favors violent upheavals
instead. Wherever `dislodging' was mentioned, it is
this side of Quaoar that acts. Invisible in time to
an unattentive observerer, the ever present change
acts and with vehemence, too, to the surprise of the
monopolist. Something moved in the corner. Tentacles
grew in the dark lake. There was a stirring in the
reeds. The guardian who ignored it will see his tyrant
unhorsed and his reign speeded into oblivion now.

The Wheel of Fortune is unfavorable to the tyrant. In
political terms this refers to revolutionary change.
The Doge of Venice was humiliated by Napoleon. Venetian
churches were stripped of their Bons, Tintorettos, Tizians,
Tiepolos, Palmas and Strozzis. One loses his political
independence and is punished for tyrany. Often the change
comes typically from within his enterprise.

Quaoar in the tenth house mercilessly announces losing
power while being humiliated by the confiscation of one's
possessions. It is thus the herald of bancrupcy.

I might add that Venice did plunder for at least a couple
of hundred of years. This mediteranean transport monopolist
loot includes two monumental columns one can observe nowdays
in the main square. They were too heavy for Napoleon to take.

But don't count on the apparently implicit message and get
away with it. Things xhange, will change and Napoleon can
still bombard the collumns. Those who gained will lose. It
might not be visible now. Wait for some triggering direction
and transit and monopolism ends up in one day.

This can mean great stock exchange upheavals unrepairable by
today's technology. Old rubber on a stalled market does not
stand a chance. Old rubber has not the elastic qualities this
penetrating planetoid attacks with triumph. This is Quaoar
announcing a new aeon.

11. With Quaoar in the eleventh house, whether in a nativity
or a horary chart, one is well advized to save his stocks
and resources. The eleventh house is of course the one of
the money earned by the enterprise.

As a rule: do nothing. When unsure, don't act. And when
you act, act from slightly behind the scene. Keep what you
got, especially real estate. Form a trust, an interest
circle, a club; but trust only the oldest friends.

Beginnings of big enterprises. Imperial adventures. Ruling
a land. The Queen and the country. We're losing droids fast.

Only old friends will do, and as a rule only those in which
you had and could have confidence at least for the last ten
years.

Olive oil industry and resources are favored, woman clubs,
a long established exchange with a minister, friends few
but tried and true. In fact a decrease in social mingling
seems favored. Discretion. This is the position of the
stalker secretly moving with refined detachment; instead
of the lurking, thus obvious unpatient beginner.

12. This last house paradoxally cherishes the former monopolists
and successful people in your business. One pilgrims to the
tomb of Henry Ford. One lights a candle for Forbes. No need
for alarm but this does not seem to be a richly enjoying
house party. The conclusion of worldly ambitions. Some quite
unnecessary and unproductive regret.

The position is obviousely past one's competence, but as one
leaves the world, little errors can be pardoned. I note in
sheer horror that the person is in favorable position of
communication with the other world. Dead persons will yield
informations and skelletons will speak.

In my oppinion, this position is one of the person tryin to
profit from the experiences of deceased businessmen. Occult
means can be applied, and in fact I see them working!

Copyright © 2003 Klaudio Zic, all rights reserved. t8@puck.dhs.org
http://puck.dhs.org/quaoar

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Claudio Valentin Solis

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Nove efemeride za Quaoar. Nekaj se zdi manjshi, however drzhi za 1776 in vechina simulacij bo v redu. Buddha bo skrajshan za kakshno stopinjo pa Krist verjetno kar eno, pa so vse simulacije zhe v redu.

http://puck.dhs.org/quaoar/ephe.new/

Claudio Valentin Solis